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what's up everybody happy monday hope

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you had a great weekend uh we have a

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pretty cool show in store today

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uh where we're going to talk about mr

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john keel

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a very interesting guy especially if you

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um incorporate a lot of the things we've

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been hearing these days with some of the

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uh poltergeist aspect of the ufos

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it gets pretty interesting so i and

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somebody actually commented on a video

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and requested i do something on john

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keel and it's totally my pleasure

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so that is what we're doing today

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um i have a whole

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different

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um

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basket of media that we're gonna choose

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from today

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um some videos some audio

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um

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other things even a graph i think a

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graph is going to make its way in there

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which is really interesting

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[Laughter]

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let's actually start with um

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a pretty interesting clip

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of mr john gill and

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then i'll come back and we'll get into

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to uh some magazine welcome please john

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so you're a 40 n a

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oh well i've been trying to outgrow it

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actually what is fortion spell

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f-o-r-t-e-a-n what is that

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uh back in the early part of this

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century there was a man named charles

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ford who spent his entire life in the

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new york public library

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going through the old scientific

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and old newspapers

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and he published a series of books about

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strange things that turned up in these

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old like when it would rain frogs in

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red snow in switzerland he kept track of

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all these things did a series of books

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and we started calling these events 14

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events and today we still keep track now

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the two examples you cited there i have

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i've heard of reigning the frogs and

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it's always a matter of it's either one

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an old wives tale remember the time it

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or it's

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disputed in some they could just say

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well there were frogs in the trees when

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it rained they jumped out

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well we have compiled a list of several

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thousand mysterious things that have

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fallen from the sky

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like stone pillars

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cannonballs

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uh all kinds of strange things in china

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it once raised raw meat no

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no there's no explanation when in china

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did it rain raw meat well quite a while

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ago it was in the 19th century now how

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is it that all the unexplained things

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took place in the 19th century before

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still taking place give me a recent

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unexplained thing

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in recent years the ufo phenomenon has

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been very common around the world right

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now it's going on in argentina

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and while a lot of people think they

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have an explanation for it

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uh actually we're just beginning to find

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what's really going on with the

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euphopenem ufos are pretty much i would

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guess if we asked the audience i would

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probably find over half of them said

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yeah they have reason to believe there's

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something going on out there i think at

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least 10 of them have probably seen one

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themselves has anybody here ever seen

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one of these things

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and how many of you think there may be

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we have here this uh this is a plaster

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of a of a big footprint

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now you've all heard of the abominable

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snowman in the himalayas

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a creature that's variously called

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sasquatch or bigfoot

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and he's found not just in washington

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mississippi valley and even in new

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out of new jersey and that's where this

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footprint comes from this is from to you

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from uncle lou and bob

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one in particular that keeps you awake

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at night that just gnaws at you

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going on yeah like what what are we

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scared of the animal mutilations that

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have been going on around the country

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sweden and these are not pranks or sick

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slaughtered now by some mysterious group

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animals and they also perform expert

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what's up yeah i thought i'd open the

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show with that uh awesome dave letterman

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clip i was pretty interesting to hear

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how many people

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were clapping when he asked if other

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people have seen things

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visitors pretty cool

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pretty interesting stuff i would say

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um we i'll start off the show with a

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won't take long

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i just want to let you know what's

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for the week like a

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you know hosts would do right

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um and once again i hope you guys had a

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it was like 50 degrees where i am

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uh yesterday but we're going into a

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be a thursday friend

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uh this week which is pretty cool

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remote viewer a pretty cool guy you can

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check him out you can go into the

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description of the video

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and you can learn a little bit more

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this week is gonna be pretty cool

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i gotta say and today we're doing john

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questions if you have any questions you

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it in most definitely so yeah

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for a while so i'm looking very much

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forward to that so real quick i'll say

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what's up to everybody uh benji how's it

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going julie what's up

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uh steph what's up k-42 d what's

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uh we got lionel what's up

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nigel what's up jason what's up um

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who else we got here at nigel yeah

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what's up i already said that to you

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witness citizen

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awesome so we got pretty good crowd

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um he was born in hornell new york the

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propaganda writer interesting um he's

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mothman prophecies i'm sure you're

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familiar with that there's a movie made

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1975 book uh it was kiehl's account of

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sightings and around point pleasant um

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very creepy character that showed up

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i'll just put it that way i don't want

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to ruin it too much for you the name of

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the character is eluding me right now

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sorts of different things which is

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because we see a lot of that now as well

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knowingly experienced anything um that

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poltergeist stuff for anything but i

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know people who have and

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and so i'm just going to get into a

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couple very interesting

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pieces

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i'll play a piece maybe i'll go back to

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a video that sort of thing

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so this first one

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let me know if that's big enough

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actually it's probably not so here we go

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so this first one is called the alien

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without it's from a ufology bulletin

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from back in the day uh if you guys want

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any of this material just let me know

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and i can share it via google drive or

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just put it on my website if you want

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so this is pretty interesting the alien

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without most ufo researchers would agree

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that the great majority of all ufo

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sightings result from misperception of

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mundane objects hoax mirage

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affects confabulation of unfamiliar

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sites or other psychological aberration

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caused by

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psychological stress and so on this goes

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almost without saying the crucial

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concerns

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is whether or not there are some

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genuinely unknown phenomena that are

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also being occasionally seen and

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reported signals within the noise if

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you'd like

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those of the extraterrestrial persuasion

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are sure that there are such sightings

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and that they are caused by alien craft

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i'm also convinced that there is signal

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in the noise but i have maintained for

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many years now that the phenomena are an

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exotic form of natural energy

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originating from earth itself possibly

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related to earthquakes earthquake lights

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and ball lightning but with some

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uh research reveals that these earth

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lights also called b-o-l-s by some

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researchers appear in highly localized

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regions they are terrain related in some

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places locals have seen them for

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generations these zones have

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so far been found to contain reoccurring

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geological characteristics such as

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significant faulting seismic history

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mineral deposits or bodies of water

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which can cause micro quakes detailed

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work in certain zones shown an

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overwhelming correlation between light's

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incidence and surface faulting such an

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apparent geological connection is

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highlighted by 18th century mining texts

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which tell the use of light bulbs

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emerging from the ground and prospecting

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for mineral schemes especially copper

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veins

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recent sightings

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are recent findings described at lay

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in the uk

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um

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let me see recent research by us

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uh geologist john deere suggests that

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earth light zones can also be produced

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artificially in the vicinity of works

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where liquids are being injected into

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earth's crust interesting

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uh they go into

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and

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which i don't know really anything about

361
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then they go into kind of the

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it looks like maybe uh past

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interpretations malaysians call them

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uh

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pinnacle

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the spectral heads of women who have

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died in childbirth hawaiian islanders

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called the lights akule

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uh spirits

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australian aborigines call them min min

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lights ah we've heard of that

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well i have at least

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the rego papua new guinea feel that they

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go out of body during sleep and balls of

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light seen in the night sky are people's

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spirits flying free

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wow

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that's crazy i've kind of had that

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thought

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be the lanterns of little men

381
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to go near which is to court illness or

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and

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celtic delights are seen as fairies

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literally fairy lights

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the

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detailed knowledge and lore concerning

387
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meteorology and they single out curious

388
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light effects

389
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uh which they insist i'm not even trying

390
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saying some of this stuff

391
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which they insist are not uh lightning

392
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meteorolo meteor lava meteorological

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sorry

394
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phenomena

395
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it is clear that the lights have been

396
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seen as religious manifestations and

397
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some cultures for uh temples have been

398
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built dedicated to them a tower in a

399
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temple complex on a peak of the chinese

400
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mountain

401
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for instance was built specifically to

402
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observe

403
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uh the

404
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bodhis

405
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sativa lights

406
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man this is filled that with hard ones

407
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a temple in india's dedicated lights

408
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that habitually appear around the site

409
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the temple is built over a fault

410
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there is even a christian chapel

411
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dedicated to saint mary of the lights

412
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and this was alps it may be that

413
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prehistoric standing stones in western

414
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europe were likewise raised in honor of

415
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places haunted by light phenomena and

416
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which

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were perceived as being spirits or gods

418
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long list as developing of historical

419
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accounts in modern eyewitness reports of

420
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flights such as megalithic sites

421
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there have been many interpretations of

422
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the lights in western europe over the

423
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centuries in fact

424
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perhaps the most common was that they

425
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were fiery dragons flying through the

426
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sky in fact a recent special translation

427
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flattened texts together with other

428
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archive discoveries show the matter was

429
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a subject of scholarly debates in the

430
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middle ages

431
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um

432
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here we go

433
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um

434
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:40,320
there is a different part of this that i

435
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:42,480
wanted to read but

436
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,600
it's taken kind of long to get there

437
00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:47,440
this is interesting the nature of light

438
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:49,880
energy is not known but it seems to have

439
00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:53,919
electromagnetic aspects that's always

440
00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:06,789
interesting

441
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,110
then we're gonna go to

442
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these phenomena clearly have clear

443
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:12,880
characteristics too widely reported to

444
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be safely ignored

445
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,480
which suggests that they represent a

446
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:18,400
form of physics currently unknown to us

447
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:21,280
the ability of lights to assume coherent

448
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shapes

449
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,360
as well as to reform themselves into

450
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other shapes

451
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,160
is not understood as is indeed the case

452
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,760
with ball lightning

453
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:33,120
i don't know why they gotta throw that

454
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,799
in there

455
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:36,799
another reoccurring observation is that

456
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:38,480
the lights can sometimes be seen from

457
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,320
one direction but not from another

458
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:44,640
light witnessed and photographed in 73

459
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:47,120
by an american physicist in california

460
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:50,480
exhibited evidence of having mass

461
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it created shock waves in the air ahead

462
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of it as it traveled

463
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than of having no mass stopping without

464
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:00,320
deceleration

465
00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:11,880
very interesting

466
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,950
[Music]

467
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:14,799
uh this is interesting too to me on the

468
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,679
right hand side uh so it seems that at

469
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:19,520
the very least we may have an earth

470
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:22,240
lights and energy with some very unusual

471
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uh

472
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:30,720
yeah at the bottom we got some macro

473
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:39,270
interesting and i'm just going through

474
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:46,070
so this is just we got a little help off

475
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in here

476
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,350
so we have uh as physicists tell pudov

477
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,960
explains these fluctuations can be

478
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intense enough to cause particles to

479
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form from the vacuum spontaneously

480
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,600
uh provided they disappear again before

481
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,320
violating the uncertainty principle

482
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:06,880
we do not notice this fast energy c in

483
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,360
which we are immersed because it is a

484
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uniform action throughout space

485
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,679
nevertheless it can be interrupted in

486
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,360
various ways and scientists have been

487
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,120
learning to interact with it

488
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,440
energetically and thermodynamically to

489
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,919
produce measurable physical effects

490
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:23,840
budoff and others are looking at ways

491
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,720
energy can be extracted from the vacuum

492
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,720
whole new technologies pollution-free

493
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:30,159
energy and conceptually different

494
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:32,840
electronics seem to be waiting in the

495
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,559
wings this sea of zpe may be the

496
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universal energy

497
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:40,640
energy known as

498
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not even gonna do it not today

499
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,200
and a thousand other names by esoteric

500
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philosophies around the world and

501
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throughout the ages it may interact with

502
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,320
consciousness

503
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,919
you gotta be kidding me

504
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:55,840
after all our neurons can operate at

505
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,640
near quantum levels and they in any case

506
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:01,280
ultimately arise

507
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:04,799
out of the zpec

508
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,600
like everything else

509
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,520
and mention of consciousness brings me

510
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,200
back again to the most important

511
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:13,840
potential characteristic of earth lights

512
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,720
referred to above

513
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,000
their possible conscious or

514
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,480
quasi-conscious nature

515
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,000
i've been drawing attention to this for

516
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several years now and michael persinger

517
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sorry i'm just like kind of realizing as

518
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that uh my own experiences um might be

519
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being told to me right now as i read

520
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this

521
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uh there is i'll be honest i only

522
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:47,440
skimmed through it

523
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,559
before

524
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,000
uh there's much more to the basic

525
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,320
premise of tectonic strain theory than

526
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we have acknowledged when one realizes

527
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,240
the multitude of geological formations

528
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and geochemical combinations through

529
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,480
which the energy contained with tectonic

530
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stress can be manifested one must expect

531
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phenomena to be created whose

532
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:08,000
characteristics are beyond contemporary

533
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,440
explanations

534
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,520
considering the extreme vocal nature of

535
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each event compared to the immense field

536
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from which it originates one would

537
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expect properties that are as yet

538
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,039
undefined our concept of the geophysic

539
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,240
complements the idea of devereaux that

540
00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:26,000
there could be an interaction between

541
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[Music]

542
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,480
that's legit

543
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,280
earth lights may represent an entirely

544
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,760
uninvestigated species of phenomena that

545
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,200
could revolutionize our whole

546
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,280
understanding of the relationship

547
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,240
between mind and matter

548
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:50,720
the idea that consciousness occurs only

549
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,159
in biological matter is more habit than

550
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,480
anything else

551
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,799
there's no fundamental reason why

552
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,039
consciousness should have developed on

553
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,120
this planet only through biological

554
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,760
processes

555
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,480
sufficiently complex and exotic energy

556
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:10,559
forms might also have developed a

557
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,230
so the earth light could be the alien

558
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,840
without

559
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,400
another form of consciousness inhabiting

560
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,960
this planet with us

561
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:27,840
conscious or quasi-conscious

562
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,110
a meeting with this alien is long

563
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,679
overdue

564
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,280
i have sought and called for such a

565
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,600
meeting for a long while and

566
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:44,000
now at last it appears that attempts to

567
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,360
test conscious

568
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:47,039
interaction with these lights will take

569
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,559
place

570
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:50,640
it is too premature right now to detail

571
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,720
the research going on but

572
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,480
various intriguing developments have

573
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,720
been emerging with regard to earth

574
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,600
life's research for instance

575
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,760
i've been working with the international

576
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,400
consciousness research laboratories an

577
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,480
informal consortium of scientists and

578
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,960
scholars who cross disciplines and are

579
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,520
sponsored by the fetzer institute in the

580
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,520
usa

581
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:16,559
japanese plasma physicist

582
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,640
yh otussi toosky

583
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:23,520
was likewise uh been visiting earth

584
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,559
lights zones around the world and the 10

585
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:28,080
year old

586
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,520
uh project

587
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,720
hesterlin

588
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:32,880
is being reconstituted with better

589
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:36,159
backing and resources than before

590
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:37,360
furthermore

591
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,559
as a result

592
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,880
of a march 1994 conference

593
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,480
in ezlin

594
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,919
a new international network of

595
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,000
scientists and scholars studying aspects

596
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:48,960
of the earthlite problem has been formed

597
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,230
from the point of view of the work

598
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,400
i have been involved with at least the

599
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,960
search has been on for the best place to

600
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,240
study and

601
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,400
indeed meet the lights we have narrowed

602
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,080
it down to

603
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,080
one or two locations the first historic

604
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,600
experiment will take place at one of

605
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,240
these places in 94.95

606
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,720
and it will truly be historic

607
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,880
let us not minimize the fact if the

608
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,559
lights do prove positive in

609
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,120
consciousness interactivity tests we are

610
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,440
devising

611
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,360
we will have made the first formal

612
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,279
contact with the consciousness form

613
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,240
alien to anything we have known

614
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,640
this would be momentous as the first

615
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,400
footstep on the moon

616
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,480
and as important perhaps even more

617
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,080
paradigm shattering

618
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:39,919
than a meeting with extraterrestrial

619
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:45,990
wow

620
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,549
i'm sorry i didn't read that perfectly

621
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:53,840
i was

622
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,200
pretty crazy actually going through that

623
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,720
live with you guys that was that was

624
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:00,240
intense

625
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,990
um

626
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,919
so hope you liked that read even though

627
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,360
i screwed it up

628
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:11,760
um take a little break

629
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,720
and we'll go back to some john kia

630
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,360
i was running around the country

631
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,919
sitting up all night in cemeteries

632
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,559
and sitting on hilltops in remote parts

633
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,200
of the country

634
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,960
are looking for these funny lights in

635
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,559
the sky that were everywhere in the

636
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,070
there was one hilltop in particular

637
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,960
that overlooked the ohio river

638
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,799
uh where

639
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,400
there were at that time there was a lot

640
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,559
of boat traffic on the ohio river day

641
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,799
and night and these funny lights would

642
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,200
come down out of the sky

643
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:49,760
and circle around these boats that were

644
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,799
transporting cargo up the ohio river

645
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,320
and the boat men would turn on their

646
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,720
searchlights and play games with these

647
00:27:03,029 --> 00:26:57,679
lights

648
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,039
and i was sitting on my hilltop watching

649
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,200
them with these games going out

650
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,039
and i would flash this flashlight at

651
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,960
these funny lights and they would jump

652
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,200
out of the way my flashlight

653
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,360
and so i'd flash in morse code at these

654
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,880
lights and they would do whatever i

655
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,039
ordered them to do

656
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,799
and then later

657
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,720
i decided that instead of using morse

658
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,200
code i'd make up my own code and they

659
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,520
knew this code

660
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:26,960
which gave me

661
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,070
and i gradually figured out during this

662
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,440
period

663
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,200
that we could control these so-called

664
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,880
flying saucers they weren't saucers they

665
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,159
were lights

666
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,919
and i was sitting alone

667
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,760
and one of these lights came down very

668
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,360
close to my car

669
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,880
and passed over

670
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,559
there was a wooded area all around me

671
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,840
these hills were all wooded hills

672
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:52,080
and it passed over these woods and it

673
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,840
seemed to descend

674
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,240
right into the forest right next to my

675
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,399
car and the next day when i woke up in

676
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,320
my motel room there

677
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,320
my eyes were very sore like they were

678
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,760
full of sand

679
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,520
and this is a common effect of looking

680
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,360
at these lights it's called

681
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,880
conjunctivitis

682
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:11,200
and it's like looking into a bright arc

683
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,480
light

684
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,600
and so

685
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:15,440
the fact that my eyes were affected was

686
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:18,559
proof that i had seen something there

687
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,960
now in the years 1964 to 1968

688
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:25,120
there was a worldwide epidemic of these

689
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,399
lights

690
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,240
and i don't mean that they were it was

691
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,080
an occasional light in the sky they were

692
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,880
everywhere every damn night of the week

693
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,200
uh time magazine did big

694
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,679
editorials about it the new york times

695
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,399
did front page stories about it

696
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:42,880
now i i realized that the best way to

697
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,240
tackle this was to pick one or two spots

698
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,480
and make them a microcosm of the whole

699
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,799
thing and just study everything in that

700
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,760
spot

701
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,080
learn to know the people

702
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,000
study every event that happened whether

703
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,320
it was related to these things or not

704
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,559
call them ufos but that's really not a

705
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,480
good name for them they were like living

706
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:04,559
lights these lights had an intelligence

707
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:12,470
pretty interesting that's good

708
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,919
succession of um article and uh video

709
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,279
i'd have to say

710
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,149
actual um

711
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:23,919
case that i found

712
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:24,840
back

713
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,080
in wasn't that the time he was uh

714
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,000
talking about but it was he was talking

715
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,480
about the ohio river so i wanted to

716
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,720
um check that out a little bit see what

717
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,799
was up at the ohio river and it got a

718
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,880
pretty interesting case actually from

719
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,279
july 30th 1958

720
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,120
first of all look at the

721
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,440
witnesses multiple witnesses a state

722
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:47,279
attorney a deputy sheriff

723
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,960
a news reporter a state patrolman

724
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,360
and a policeman

725
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,840
from tioga north dakota

726
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,159
uh who substantiated all poor parts of

727
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,480
this report pretty interesting

728
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,840
of course they wound up saying it's

729
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:04,320
venus so all those people

730
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,440
are wrong

731
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:06,799
right

732
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,679
it's and it was venus

733
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,720
but

734
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,240
we can just throw that out the window

735
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,080
pretty much

736
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,399
investigation ensured this report to be

737
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,039
one of valid uh object and not an

738
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,240
imaginative or hysterical sighting

739
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,799
object could have been an experimental

740
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,200
balloon or other device originated

741
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:29,440
under official channels in the us or

742
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,559
canada

743
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,320
reported details preclude the

744
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,200
possibility of familiar celestial bodies

745
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,440
or normal natural phenomenon uh we'll

746
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,320
call it venus anyways

747
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,240
reported object was not detected by any

748
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,039
radar site within pickup range so

749
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:46,799
this is i'm just going through this

750
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:48,840
because it was um by

751
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,559
the columbia river

752
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,520
so

753
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,880
yeah i checked it out and there's

754
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:57,440
there's a few uh pretty decent cases

755
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,630
um this is extracted from

756
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:04,480
captain

757
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:08,880
pickerdatz report on september 15 1960.

758
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,360
i received a telephone call on ufo for

759
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:13,679
major messenger at air force command

760
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:17,440
post ufo disgust is reported in message

761
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,640
from

762
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,720
ramy air force base

763
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:23,519
colonel johnson and remy will try to

764
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,029
a special

765
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,360
air command post i think that is

766
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,919
no identification made yet per major

767
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,080
messenger receive the following collect

768
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:39,279
ufo call collect ufo call

769
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,720
is

770
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,399
so you're not even

771
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:44,159
you're first you're calling collect and

772
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:52,950
in ironton ohio

773
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,080
an individual claim to have tried

774
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,600
contacted interested personnel since

775
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,159
2230 including his local

776
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,200
captain but to no avail ufo sighted at

777
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,240
2200 direction of ohio river from

778
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,159
ironton ohio at about the location of

779
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,000
two o'clock in the sky

780
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,480
ufo looks like a bright star rotating in

781
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,640
a clockwise direction and then in a

782
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:18,559
counterclockwise motion

783
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,000
occasionally we'll go to right or left

784
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,039
but we'll return to original pattern

785
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:27,519
while in a counterclockwise rotation the

786
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,679
ufo will increase speed tremendously

787
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,760
and a gust of light could be seen behind

788
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,360
it

789
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,519
ufo still seen

790
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,519
at time of call

791
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:41,519
in addition a radio announcer at station

792
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:45,200
wiro in ironton observe the ufo

793
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:50,149
local checks were made petterson field

794
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:56,640
um

795
00:33:03,669 --> 00:32:59,679
[Music]

796
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,750
air force believes this to be a sighting

797
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:08,000
uh the atlas missile flared so i wonder

798
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,519
how many things they came up with so

799
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:10,480
there are

800
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:18,950
and then this was uh written in the

801
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,909
thing is identified from plain window it

802
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,679
was a star

803
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,240
as reports of the strangely sh glowing

804
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,830
coming into the enquirer newsroom at 8

805
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:40,720
pm a reporter and a photographer boarded

806
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:43,840
an ohio air national guard c-45 plane

807
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,399
headed west more than 50 calls about the

808
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,440
start were received at the enquirer

809
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,679
and f-84

810
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,840
swooped overhead at 30 thousand feet

811
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,760
unseen

812
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,240
but in radial contact with the c-45

813
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:00,640
piloted by brigadier general

814
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,389
and his executive officer edwin

815
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,480
the two turbojets followed the murky

816
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,639
ribbon that was the ohio river and

817
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,000
reached fifteen hundred feet to its

818
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,310
uh they photographed it from the ground

819
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:24,790
there it be he shouted

820
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,919
over the engine's rear general car clark

821
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,440
and captain looked at each other and

822
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,040
smiled the general spoke into his

823
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,520
microphone to the jet pilot receiver an

824
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,359
answer in turn through the reporter and

825
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:38,000
photographer pretty star isn't it eager

826
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:51,909
yeah i bet

827
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:53,909
we chased it then identified it as a

828
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,510
interesting eh

829
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,990
interesting i wonder if it was we'll

830
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,079
never know

831
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,270
could be could not be

832
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,430
we'll see

833
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,349
you know the the frustrating part with

834
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:22,150
you know all those reports like that

835
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,200
once

836
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,839
is just a microcosm

837
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:27,839
of how there

838
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:31,119
are so many reports with witnesses of

839
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:37,430
you know

840
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,800
being told that they've just seen a

841
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:40,480
planet you know

842
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:47,990
i do too and to be honest the first time

843
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,880
i realized it was

844
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,560
you know was when i started looking up

845
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:54,960
at the sky

846
00:36:04,069 --> 00:35:58,400
and i was like well it's really bright

847
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:09,750
doesn't move

848
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,870
so

849
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,829
you know

850
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:15,920
within seconds or at fast rates or

851
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,880
anything like that at least

852
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:20,960
uh so the next thing i wanted to share i

853
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,109
poultry ice city

854
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,800
so this is interesting

855
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,480
so this is a report

856
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,720
kiel put together

857
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:36,400
using some stats

858
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:46,150
yeah you know and that happens

859
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:47,040
you know

860
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:48,640
she goes it's been hovering there for

861
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,470
[Laughter]

862
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,069
you know oh man

863
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,200
you know i never see that reports

864
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,280
so that's you know i never see that in

865
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:11,520
the reports

866
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:22,790
so

867
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,320
chart i'll read the article it's not

868
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,079
that long

869
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,440
it's called

870
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,920
poltergeist and ufos uh fortunately

871
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:35,920
occult manifestations have attracted a

872
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,440
higher caliber of investigator than ufos

873
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:41,839
and the studies of ghosts hauntings and

874
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,720
poltergeists in the last century are

875
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,440
quite thorough and responsible

876
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,800
leading scientists journalists and

877
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,480
clergymen have investigated and

878
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,040
documented many of these manifestations

879
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,680
and they have left excellent records

880
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,000
i've examined much of the material and

881
00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,920
found that poltergeist flaps tend to

882
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,200
either immediately precede or follow ufo

883
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,400
flaps

884
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,320
or the two kinds of phenomenon occur

885
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,800
simultaneously i have already noted in

886
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,280
other articles that i have found a

887
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,200
sudden outbreak of poltergeist activity

888
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,440
in ufo flap areas

889
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,119
the poltergeist phenomenon seems to

890
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,599
consist of invisible entities

891
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:21,920
or fields of force which are capable of

892
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,720
moving heavy objects starting fires and

893
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:26,720
committing other kinds of senseless

894
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,400
mischief mysterious fires often go hand

895
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,440
in hand with ufo sightings

896
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,160
doors and houses of witnesses and ufo

897
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,720
areas open and close by themselves

898
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,880
strange noises are heard

899
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,800
we must open our minds to the chilling

900
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,880
possibility that the real ufos and the

901
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,599
real euphenots may be invisible to our

902
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,320
limited visual apparatus

903
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,480
the human eye can discern only a very

904
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,119
small portion of the electromagnetic

905
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,200
spectrum

906
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,200
at least one contact d has told us that

907
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,200
the objects are usually invisible in

908
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,119
daylight but tend to glow at night and

909
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,280
give themselves away

910
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,280
this may explain why the sighting ratio

911
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:09,680
increases sharply at sunset

912
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:12,839
and is most intense during the hours of

913
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,040
darkness see figures 40 and 41

914
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:19,440
project blue book report 14 for graphs

915
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:22,000
illustrating this sunset factor

916
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,359
it may be

917
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,760
awesome even insane

918
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:27,920
to contemplate the possibility that the

919
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,359
objects can render themselves invisible

920
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,079
it could mean that our skies

921
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,480
even over

922
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:38,960
our cities could be crowded during the

923
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,320
daylight hours and we would never know

924
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,599
we would never be the wiser

925
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:47,280
it could also explain how the objects

926
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,839
could hide from us and flap areas

927
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:52,240
our evidence thus far is fragmentary and

928
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,480
superficial but here's the chart

929
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,480
the chart is from another study i have

930
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:00,880
made showing how poltergeist phenomena

931
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:04,000
parallels ufo activity this study will

932
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:08,079
be published in full at a later date

933
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,510
i will have to find that

934
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:18,710
for sure

935
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:27,190
uh audio testimony i wanted to grab a

936
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,160
little bit

937
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,520
of

938
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,119
um something

939
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,520
john gail did

940
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,000
and it's from the same website

941
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,400
so it's recording

942
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,480
audio only allows me to take a little

943
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,920
break

944
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,280
take a listen

945
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,960
kick your shoes off

946
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:46,079
and relax

947
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,520
i forgot uh one question earlier

948
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,119
you should have asked how many of you

949
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,280
are from the fbi

950
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,200
because

951
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:58,160
i have here the full text of the cia

952
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,079
report of the robertson panel in 1953.

953
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,480
this text as you know has been

954
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,720
censored and butchered for many years

955
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,720
and i want to read a couple of passages

956
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,000
from this give you an idea of the

957
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,760
caliber of men we have

958
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,359
working in the united states government

959
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,800
and cia

960
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,960
the fbi and so on

961
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,359
uh under the section called unofficial

962
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,400
investigating groups they say this

963
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,280
the panel took cognizance cognizance i'm

964
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:27,280
going to have like which sheep herders

965
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,319
here

966
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,000
the panel took cognizance of the

967
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,560
existence of such groups as a civilian

968
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,720
flying saucer investigators in los

969
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,920
angeles

970
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,160
and the aerial phenomena research

971
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,079
organization which was then in wisconsin

972
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,000
this was 1953

973
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,480
it was believed that such organizations

974
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,400
should be watched because of their

975
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,800
potentially great influence on mass

976
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,200
thinking if widespread sightings should

977
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,480
occur

978
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,040
the apparent irresponsibility

979
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,040
and possible use of such groups for

980
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,440
subversive purposes should be kept in

981
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:00,880
mind

982
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,160
now what this means when it comes from

983
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,079
someone like the cia and ends up in a

984
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,440
report

985
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,680
which turns up on the desks of many high

986
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,160
officials it means that it

987
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,960
really gives the fbi and the cia cut

988
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,920
blanche to investigate these groups

989
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,520
and as many of you know they've done

990
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,000
this over the years they've harassed

991
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,560
ufo investigators amateur euphoria

992
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,240
investigators civilians

993
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,319
they've harassed people who've taken

994
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,560
photographs of these things and they've

995
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,400
done it all because of this couple of

996
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,839
sentences

997
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,079
a number of things in here

998
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,520
which uh

999
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,599
are rather appalling

1000
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,839
there was a uh a member of this panel

1001
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,319
named dewey fournette he's not named in

1002
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,920
here but this is the man

1003
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,000
involved who spent several months

1004
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,640
preparing an airtight case he thought

1005
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,560
proved the flying saucers came from

1006
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,040
outer space he prepared an extensive

1007
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:56,720
document on this

1008
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,160
and he presented it before this panel

1009
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,319
now i haven't seen the document but i

1010
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,319
know a great deal about it i know that

1011
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,319
he did a very thorough job

1012
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,079
now here's what they say about duty

1013
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,640
forney's report

1014
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,240
one of the panel members in his

1015
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,240
presentation showed how he had

1016
00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:15,760
eliminated each of the known and

1017
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,680
probable causes of sightings leaving him

1018
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,040
extraterrestrial as the only one

1019
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,599
remaining in many cases his background

1020
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,200
as an aeronautical engineer and

1021
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,119
technical intelligence officer could not

1022
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,599
be slighted however the panel could not

1023
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,079
accept the cases cited by him because

1024
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,200
they were raw unevaluated reports

1025
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,760
i don't know how you would define

1026
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,760
an evaluated report i suppose that's

1027
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,520
when they decide it's a water balloon or

1028
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:42,960
swamp gas

1029
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,160
on the next page on page six

1030
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,880
we have the story of the famous free

1031
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:50,400
mountain utah

1032
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:51,359
film

1033
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:56,480
early 50s sixteen hundred frames of a

1034
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,440
formation of flying saucers

1035
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,640
in color yet the uh intelligence command

1036
00:44:06,430 --> 00:44:05,119
of the air force took this film

1037
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,440
and

1038
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,800
microscopically analyzed it here's what

1039
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,040
they say about it

1040
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,480
the panel received a briefing by

1041
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,880
representatives of the u.s navy photo

1042
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,640
interpretation laboratory and their

1043
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,319
analysis of the film

1044
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:20,960
this team had expended at air force

1045
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,240
request approximately 1 000 hours of

1046
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,880
professional and subprofessional time

1047
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,960
in the preparation of graph plots of the

1048
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,119
individual frames of the film

1049
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:32,880
showing apparent and relative motion of

1050
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:34,839
the objects and variation in their light

1051
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,839
intensity it was the opinion of the pil

1052
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,079
representatives that the objects cited

1053
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,040
were not birds balloons or aircraft were

1054
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,640
not reflections because there was no

1055
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:46,720
blinking while passing through 60 degree

1056
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,839
of arc and were therefore

1057
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,800
self-luminous plots of motion and

1058
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,200
variation in light intensity of the

1059
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,280
objects were displayed

1060
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,200
while the panel members were impressed

1061
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,000
by the evident enthusiasm industry and

1062
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,960
the extent of effort of the bil team

1063
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,720
they would not accept the conclusions

1064
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,760
reached

1065
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,240
now here these people had had worked a

1066
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,400
thousand hours it says here

1067
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,480
preparing all kinds of graphs and charts

1068
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,920
and everything to prove their case and

1069
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,599
the panel just threw it out

1070
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,160
they do this page after page i get so

1071
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,910
i thought that was uh pretty good

1072
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,599
because

1073
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,000
you know i felt that uh as well and it

1074
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,000
kind of seems like we're going backwards

1075
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,800
uh with keel right

1076
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,880
as far as the timetable which is

1077
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,480
interesting too

1078
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,510
you know and and we've gone over this

1079
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,240
ourselves i mean here it is

1080
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,760
um the interesting

1081
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:48,400
part that always irritated me the most

1082
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,440
was

1083
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,920
this uh educational program

1084
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,599
the panel's concept of a broad

1085
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,839
educational program interrogating

1086
00:46:03,190 --> 00:45:56,960
efforts

1087
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,200
of all uh concerned agencies was that it

1088
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:05,040
should have two major names

1089
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,270
the training aim would result in proper

1090
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,079
recognition of unusually illuminated

1091
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,160
objects balloons aircraft

1092
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,480
as well as natural phenomenon both

1093
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:20,240
visual and radar recognition are

1094
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,359
concerned

1095
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:23,839
there would be many levels in such

1096
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,720
education from enlisted personnel

1097
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,040
to command and research personnel

1098
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,880
relative emphasis and degree of

1099
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:33,200
explanation of different programs would

1100
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,880
correspond to the categories of duty

1101
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:39,359
this training should result in a marked

1102
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,119
reduction in reports caused by

1103
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:44,480
misidentifications and

1104
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,230
the debunking aim would result in a

1105
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,000
reduction in public interest in flying

1106
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,920
saucers which today evokes a strong

1107
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,640
psychological reaction this education

1108
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,880
could be accomplished by mass media such

1109
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,400
as television

1110
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,839
motion pictures

1111
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,160
and popular articles

1112
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,800
basis of such education would be

1113
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,119
actual case histories

1114
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,040
which had been puzzling at first but

1115
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,960
later explained

1116
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,960
as in the case of conjuring tricks there

1117
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,440
is much less stimulation if the secret

1118
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,800
is known

1119
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:21,280
such a program should tend to reduce the

1120
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,839
current gullibility of the public and

1121
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,520
consequently their susceptibility to

1122
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,400
clever hostile propaganda

1123
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,319
the panel noted that the general absence

1124
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,800
of russian propaganda based on a subject

1125
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,880
with so many obvious possibilities for

1126
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,640
exploitation

1127
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,319
might indicate a possible russian

1128
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,200
official policy

1129
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,720
members of the panel had various

1130
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,119
suggestions related to the planning of

1131
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,599
such an educational program it was felt

1132
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,680
strongly that the psychologist familiar

1133
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,440
with mass psychology

1134
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,359
should advise on the nature and extent

1135
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,960
of the program

1136
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,359
this connection dr headley cantrell

1137
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:59,760
princeton university was suggested

1138
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,720
he authored invasion from mars a study

1139
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,440
in the uh psychology of panic written

1140
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,960
about the famous orson welles radio

1141
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,200
broke broadcast

1142
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,640
and has since performed advanced

1143
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:12,480
laboratory studies in the field of

1144
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:18,829
a couple more

1145
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,240
consultants consultants mentioned

1146
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,920
also someone familiar with mass

1147
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:25,680
communication techniques perhaps an

1148
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,040
advertising expert would be helpful

1149
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,920
arthur godfrey was mentioned as possibly

1150
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,599
a valuable channel of communication

1151
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,040
reaching a mass audience of certain

1152
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,359
levels

1153
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,599
someone suggested the us navy lnr

1154
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,079
special devices center sands point as a

1155
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:44,640
potentially valuable organization

1156
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,680
to assist in such an educational program

1157
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,760
the teaching techniques used by this

1158
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,920
agency for aircraft identification

1159
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:54,240
during the past war was cited as an

1160
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,520
example of a similar educational task

1161
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,520
the jam handy company which made world

1162
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,760
war ii training films

1163
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:06,079
was also suggested as well as walt

1164
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,800
disney incorporated animated cartoons

1165
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,200
dr heineck suggested that the amateur

1166
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,440
astronomer astronomers in the u.s might

1167
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,280
be a potential source of enthusiastic

1168
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,319
talent to spread the gospel

1169
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,800
it was believed that business clubs high

1170
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,880
schools colleges and television stations

1171
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,599
would all be pleased to cooperate in the

1172
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,520
showing of documentary type motion

1173
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,920
pictures it prepared in an interesting

1174
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,359
manner

1175
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:36,079
the use of true cases showing the first

1176
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,200
mystery

1177
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:39,280
and then the explanation

1178
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,990
to plan and execute such program the

1179
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,520
panel believed

1180
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:49,440
was no mean task the current

1181
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,920
investigation invested invested

1182
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:55,200
investigate

1183
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,710
group at attic would of necessity have

1184
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,440
to be closely integrated for support

1185
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,359
with respect to not only

1186
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,200
the historical cases but the current

1187
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,760
ones recent cases are probably much more

1188
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,520
susceptible to explanation than older

1189
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:15,040
ones first because of addict's

1190
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,240
experience

1191
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,160
and secondly their knowledge of most

1192
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,920
possible explanations

1193
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,160
the panel believed that some expansion

1194
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,920
of the attic effort would certainly be

1195
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,240
required to support such program it was

1196
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,160
believed inappropriate to state exactly

1197
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:30,640
how large a table of organization would

1198
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,280
be required captain rupel devatic

1199
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:35,119
unofficially proposed for purposes of

1200
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,870
so

1201
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,750
there you have it

1202
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,720
oh thanks laughing at me

1203
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,440
[Laughter]

1204
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:59,520
man just one of those days within maybe

1205
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:02,559
reading too much i guess but um

1206
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,589
you know

1207
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,319
just straight up

1208
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,400
straight up

1209
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,280
a debunking campaign

1210
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,559
so

1211
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:19,920
we are going to move on

1212
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,520
to our final segment of the day

1213
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:26,240
which is a little bit later

1214
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:37,430
what the heck is that

1215
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,530
what the heck is the heck is it

1216
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:46,470
[Laughter]

1217
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,760
oh yeah that never that will never get

1218
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,920
old

1219
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,680
maybe to you

1220
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,920
maybe it has to me once before too

1221
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,000
but

1222
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:00,880
all right so this first one we get a ufo

1223
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:02,839
caught

1224
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:07,920
flying over oklahoma bricken city man

1225
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,790
it's pretty short

1226
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:14,000
so

1227
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,440
it's kind of stupid actually too but

1228
00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:16,559
there's two more that are a little

1229
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:17,590
better

1230
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,829
meteorologist shelby hayes in for brad

1231
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,040
styler she's telling us it's going to be

1232
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,280
a little bit cooler today but still

1233
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,400
going to be no that's better

1234
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,240
that was probably

1235
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:36,319
maybe a bird i don't know

1236
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:45,270
i have to look at it again

1237
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:46,720
it's hard to find good ones i'll tell

1238
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,710
but uh you know

1239
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:54,240
probably wouldn't

1240
00:52:58,640 --> 00:54:17,320
and we got this one

1241
00:54:17,330 --> 00:54:27,270
[Music]

1242
00:54:27,280 --> 00:55:07,910
i gotta turn this one off

1243
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,109
unfortunately

1244
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:16,309
interesting though

1245
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,510
at first

1246
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:19,440
we just need better quality but isn't

1247
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:25,109
i think that is um

1248
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:29,599
i think that's probably all i got

1249
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,190
oh

1250
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:37,599
there's a

1251
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:40,720
oklahoma one where they say it was a

1252
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:46,870
i don't know

1253
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:50,480
not sure

1254
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:54,880
so

1255
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,069
um

1256
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,150
had a couple tongue twisters

1257
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:07,119
a couple of bloopers

1258
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,270
pretty cool you guys want to see the

1259
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:15,359
where they call it a meteorite video we

1260
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,670
well i thought it was a bird so at least

1261
00:58:34,630 --> 00:56:29,200
it's a little better than that at least

1262
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,069
come on

1263
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,349
no way

1264
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,799
yeah

1265
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,799
exactly

1266
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:46,470
that one guy

1267
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:57,349
[Laughter]

1268
00:59:03,990 --> 00:58:58,789
oh man

1269
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:04,630
as

1270
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,559
all right so

1271
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:10,640
i will check y'all

1272
00:59:14,410 --> 00:59:12,400
later

1273
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:14,420
peace